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LIBERTY, EQUALITY, FRATERNITY
Normative/normatively: does not mean law, but ethics, morality.
In moral terms, the statement according to which it is just for
human beings to enjoy certain basic rights it’s just.
We can reformulate it. The topic is not a descriptive stateman, it’s a
normative one and it can be measured, there is a gap between what
it is and what it’s ought to be.
The French Revolution: liberty, equality, fraternity
If it’s possible to argue that theories of social justice rely on these 3
concepts, we can also argue that the focus are liberty and equality.
Fraternity is regarded as sth very demanding/committing it’s like a
surplus. If it’s not there we should not give up moving on the line of
theory of justice and the contrary is equally true. There’s a
complication at the conception level: liberty and equality are not so
much confused terms but contested in the anthropological sense as
to what they mean, but within the framework of the western
tradition a double distinction is nail. Liberty understood as negative
and positive:
1) negative liberty is immunity from undesired external
interference which puts in danger physical integrity and
psychological integrity.
Every individual is autonomous, free from external
interference. But what is external interference? Government?
We can determine it through intersubjectivity, as Honneth
suggests; interference is not automatically negative; the law
determines which interferences are not allowed, so everything
belongs to interaction. From the social point of view, it
produces consequences. Distinguish between socially
desirable and law interference.
2) Positive liberty is a power which we don’t enjoy when we
concentrate on our own sphere of autonomy, but when the
legal sphere acts. For example, holiday trips paid by
Government that is a positive liberty.
Equality, like liberty, changes depending on the meaning: in
the case of freedom in fact we have 2 different meanings
(positive and negative).
Practical consequences: in a system where everything turns
around positive freedom, we don’t have much space for
autonomy (so negative freedom) and vice versa. In soviet
constitution of 1956? There was too much freedom.
Equality: equality of opportunities and equality of outcomes
1) All citizens (not everybody in the country) have equal
chances to access to services. For example, looking for a
job: a system based on equality of opportunities should
remove all the obstacles which limit us from applying to that
job.
2) Equality of outcomes: a society which allows guarantees to
everybody in order to get the same at the end of the day,
bringing everybody to the same result. For example, getting
a roof over head for everybody. A communist system gives
what people need, so the outcome is based on people’s
necessities.
Liberty comes first: theory of social justice and theory of
human rights claims that without freedom there is no equality.
But we can claim the other way around. Rousseau -> without
freedom there is no equality.
There is a degree of inequality which is acceptable,
justified by the theory of social justice; then reducing
inequality and find the ethical justification for the existing gap.
Fraternity indication of the fact that some human beings are
more “evil” than others but fraternity would be the rescue for
evil human beings.
People doing wrong things that’s the product of selfishness.
Are we supposed to consider selfishness as entirely wrong od
distinguish between good and bad selfishness? This latter is
not a solution, but an addition to see nuances. The way to deal
with the problem is the faith to distinguish between the good
and bad selfishness.
Equality of outcomes does not deny the existence of empirical
differences, what matters is what we make out of inequality,
what are the consequences. For instance, we are moving in an
unequal socio-political system, its’ all about consequences:
how we use such differences.
Definition: Theories of social justice are models of……
which justify the distribution of “basic goods”/basic
models
values. Income, freedom, health, property which are
empirically wanted by a large number of people. The access to
those benefits is not equal and smooth so for some people it’s
easier and others not. Problem of coordination! Matter of
survival. If there is no coordinate access to the sources there
will be the risk of conflict. Theory of social justice wants to
minimize the possibility of a conflict.
We are free to get what we want but it depends on the way we
want to get it: civil or harsh way. The idea of justice as “rule of
the stronger” can be damaging for the others. Hobbes, the
capacity to desire something is virtually unlimited, the
resources are limited. In economic theory this is one of the
basis. The fact that there is plenty of sth does not diminish the
risk of conflict. People have to think to all the possible ways to
reach that objective.
We want Values, commodities, goods. However, at the end of the
day these goods are measurable in economic terms and others
which are not. The word “value” itself reminds the possibility of
measure.
Measurable values (court) vs. Non measurable values
70s David Miller wrote a book in which summarized the basic
theories of social justices in 3 main spaces:
- Each person should achieve what he needs
- Each according to his rights
- Each according to his/her virtues
1) Needs based theories this theory presupposes that human
needs are always the same everywhere at any time. For
instance, sleep it’s a common need. Distinction with wants
which are a matter of preference. Progressive
In principle, the legitimate authority can establish the needs
and wants, when the public authority is the manifestation of
public will he can establish them.
2) Rights-based theories retirement is not a need, it’s an
option, a preference. It’s impossible to distinguish between
preferences, needs and interests. You do sth in order to get
what you want. This category is based on meritocracy, you get
what you deserve based on what you did. Liberalism
3) Deserts-theories: intrinsic quality which derive from nature.
On account of your position you can deserve sth. People
should be appreciated for what they are, it’s a conservative
appeal. We are arguing that there is sth in us which prevents
certain things to be performed. Conservatism
02/04/19
Theory of recognition
It combines theory of human rights (reference to the social sphere)
+ the methodological character (how he developed his theory) so
also “ABOUT human rights” (theories of citizenship). This latter is
definitionally exclusive citizen lead to limitations (who can be
citizen of a country?).
In his theory of recognition, Honneth does not focus much on the
“language”: it’s not required for identity information, but of course
it can make life easier.
Assumption If we don’t speak the language of a country, we can’t
fully understand what it’s going on (the ethical code of the country);
Debate:
Actually, we can understand what it’s going on even if we
don’t know the language, maybe after a bit of time and just
the simple things [Reference: C.P.];
Every country is the key to access the language;
In conclusion, Honneth does not want people to believe that
language is the key that opens the key to sort of cultural paradise,
this speech is almost about romanticism.
Book “pathologies of legal freedom” what happens if we sort
problems going to a lawyer
Social environment provides each other recognition, in which
language is absent;
“Who gets What”:
WHO everybody;
WHAT it is that something to which human rights are about; there
things, items, commodities
are which can be either material or
the right of speech
immaterial. For example, in Freedom of Speech
freedom of speech
is something you feel you own, whereas is part
of myself. Are they material or immaterial?
Freedom of speech*;
- Material: the right of speech
- Immaterial: is sth you own, an intimate
thing, but it can be destroyed at any time, consequently very
vulnerable.
*Is Freedom of speech a property? If we mean ownership, then we
say no. However, some fundamental rights are not convertible in
economic terms and the word “property” has to be understood in
the conventional terms. Property means
quality/characteristic/feature, not “ownership”->Example: my
property as a football supporter is to get angry anytime we lose.
Theory of self-ownership: Are we owner of ourselves?
The “self” is not something physical but metaphysical, even in the
most advanced legal system.
Statement: Human being is the owner of his body;
Implication: we can do whatever we want with our body;
Euthanasia, abortion, prostitution etc. are all concerned with self-
ownership. There is a different perception of such things on the
social sphere and the legal one: on the social sphere these things
are individualistic, on the legal sphere no. We need to classify for
example gender differences just on the social level.
To sum it up:
- the what is determinable, quantifiable;
- I own my body;
- The determination of my properties is a private matter;
What we possess it’s taken for granted that it’s our own.
Is ownership the most appropriate category to define such a
complicated element like our body? We think we control ourselves,
but we are in a situation with split feelings (as regards a theory).
Ownership is just a metaphor: we borrow this term from law and
economics and use it in a psychological and metaphorical sense, in
a much more complicated way. Non-Sartrians would say: this is the
natural condition of human life.
Relation between ownership and human rights, commodities: as
long as certain conditions are justified in a society there is such a
relation. Similar to the approach developed by the American R.N.
Anarchy and Utopia) libertarian
(Book who outlines the concept of
network everybody is entitled to look for the group of people
which shares similar values.
The idea that we own our body, self, language etc. it’s the idea we
assume in the absence of anything better. However, this does not
mean it’s easy to get it because we have to find it. Last, do I own
the language I speak or the one I would like to speak? Language it’s
not structured on the basis of individual contribution, but millions of
people contribute it.
Human rights cannot be reduced to ownership.
quality
Property as is used in the conserv